God’s Provision


God’s Provision https://www.openbible.info/topics/bible_provision

Philippians 4:19

And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 9:8 

And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.

Matthew 6:31-32 

Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.

Matthew 6:33 

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Psalm 37:25 

I have been young, and now am old, yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken or his children begging for bread.

Matthew 7:11 

If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Psalm 23:1 

A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

Psalm 34:10 

The young lions suffer want and hunger; but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing.

1 Timothy 5:8 

But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Luke 12:24 

Consider the ravens: they neither sow nor reap, they have neither storehouse nor barn, and yet God feeds them. Of how much more value are you than the birds!

Hebrews 13:5 

Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Job 38:41 

Who provides for the raven its prey, when its young ones cry to God for help, and wander about for lack of food?

Luke 12:7 

Why, even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not; you are of more value than many sparrows.

Matthew 6:25-34 

“Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.

Romans 8:32 

He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?

Self deliverance is possible!


After we learned how to do deliverance on each other, God had us do it on ourselves. It helps to know the exact name of the demon you are casting out, but it isn’t necessary. Sometimes it’s a guessing game, and you can guess based on past experience, what type of demon is in you. So far in my experience, they tend to come out of a persons mouth, we’d just say something (with faith) like, “I repent of X”, or “X, I cast you out in Jesus name!” Usually I can go with a pretty long list of names in my head and some of them will be hits and some misses, I guess it’s the shotgun approach. The first time I did it on myself I went through a long list of demon powers, and I remember vomiting out a spirit of anti Christ I had from an atheist stage in my life. More recently I had to cough of a spirit of X (not naming it) which was taking residence in my brain and after that I had a bad head ache for a while. These things can only take up residence in you and stay there if they have legal ground, but if they don’t have legal ground they can be cast out, although they’d rather just hide in you and go undetected after they have lost legal ground. These things (spirits of the air, demons, evil spirits) can also alter a humans behavior, their goal is to drag humanity into so much sin that they cannot be cast out, or they remain hidden and cause the person to misbehave at strategic points of a persons life, and they try to make it look like they are just part of that persons ‘personality’. Also, if you sincerely repent these things lose legal ground.

Something that almost tripped me up was thinking I was doing it under my own power, when it was really Jesus who cast them out, it’s a mental trap. Even though it requires your own faith, you cannot cast these things out by your own power, you have to be clear that it is Jesus casting out the things.

When they are cast out, sometimes they make a weird noise, like a scream, a mans voice, or some other demonic vocalization.

Just want you to know that self deliverance is possible! 🙂 The easiest way is to talk to the evil spirit within a person saying, X, I cast you out in the name of Jesus! Look into Derek Prince or Win Worely on how to cast out evil spirits.

The Sword is the Word


Romans 8:1 – There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. — Use this word when you are feeling like you are facing condemnation!

Luke 4:8
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'”

Luke 4:12
It is said, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.

Luke 4 – It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God

Isaiah 61:3 – “the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness” When you feel down and depressed, praising God will lift the spirit of heaviness

James 4:7 – “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Jeremiah 29:11 – For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Psa 118:17 – I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord.

Is 54:17 – No weapon that is formed against us shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against us in judgment we do condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and our righteousness is of you, Lord of Hosts.

2 Cor 9:8 – And God is able to make all grace abound toward us; that we always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work

Phil 4:13: I can do all things through the one who empowers me within.

1 Peter 2:24: Jesus himself, bore our sins, in his own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live to righteousness, by his wounds we were healed.

2 chronicles 14:11 – Lord, there is no one like you to help the powerless against the mighty. Help us, Lord our God, for we rely on you, and in your name we have come against this vast army. Lord, you are our God; do not let man  prevail against you

2 chronicles 20:6 – Lord, the God of our ancestors, are you not the God who is in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. Power and might are in your hand, and no one can withstand you.

1 Corinthians 3:16 – Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.

Matthew 7:21 – I Never Knew You


21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

Here is what I think upon reading this. First, the will of the father is to believe in the Son, as per John 6:40, which states:

For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

So we can conclude that the people in this passage did not believe in Christ for their salvation. What then did they trust? The passage appears to show they trusted in their good works and never had a relationship with Jesus. Jesus exposes trusting in their works as evil because he calls them workers of lawlessness.

On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

So, to sum it up, this passage speaks about people who

  1. Never believed on the Son (Jesus) for their salvation
  2. Trusted in their good works to get to heaven
  3. Never had a relationship with Jesus

Also, another possibility,

4. They never truly repented and they are considered a ‘carnal Christian’

How are we saved?


Ephesians 2:8-9 states: For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Titus 3:5 states: He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit

Romans 10:9 states: Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

It is therefore abundantly clear, the only thing we are saved by is being covered in the blood of Jesus, through God’s mercy and grace.

It is not based on works done by us in righteousness, because then we could boast about what we did, not what HE did. In fact, those who trust in their works may be excluded from heaven! Because Matthew 7:21-23 states

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

It sounds like these people were trusting in their works, and Jesus says depart as he calls their works evil!

However, repentance is an indicator of whether one has true saving faith. People with true saving faith will be changed by Christ, and not be living like the world, because they will have a change of mind that leads to action. While that does not save them- it is an evidence of faith, and a fruit of it, and will tell you if you have true saving faith, and are born again! Salvation doesn’t come from faith AND works, but faith THAT works.

From New Age to Jesus


Coming to Christ for me was like the pang of child birth, and I guess you could say I was literally born again in the hospital.

Where to start? I was a happy child, however growing up I matured at a young age and was interested in girls, but I did not know the ways of the world and these girls ended up rejecting me making me take on the spirit of depression.

From probably about 13 on I was depressed, my goal in life was to be an artist, and my parents dabbled with the idea of going to Church, but I thought it would be a boring waste of a Sunday and why bother.

I struggled in life, and when I struggled I believed in God I just did not know the true nature of God. I looked for God in all the wrong places, mainly the internet. I had my own theory of God and the way the universe works, that our souls were infinite and eternal and that God was there to guide the soul to growth, and I essentially ignored the problem of evil and what God’s plan was regarding that. I became a love and light New Ager and took my “theology” from the internet personalities like David Wilcock, who teaches the universe is divine and that we all have a purpose, things that sounded good to me, and I still believe we all fulfill a divine purpose.

Little did I realize I was on a dangerous path, and my deep depression was also causing irreversible damage to my brain. I ended up working in life as a computer scientist because I understood computers better than people, and I liked to play with computers. What made me believe in Christ was the following conversation I had with Christ throughout my life.

The first time I read the bible was at 17 years old and while I kind of believed what I was reading at the time about Christ, I was afraid to tell my parents about him and I prayed to Jesus to show me if I was good or evil, I prayed fully in tears. Then I forgot about Jesus and got married to my first wife. She was adulterous and the reason she came out about it to me was because of a Christian sermon we went to where she felt guilty and spilled the beans about it. I forgave her but she didn’t get the real message, so she did it again and again and I finally got divorced to her.

During that time I was together with her God put some Christians in my life path, which looking back at it were instrumental to being saved. One of them was while I was randomly traveling with my first wife, and he prayed for me. Another was a math professor at my university, and he said something I remember. He said he saw a Christian student and he asked him why he believed, and the Christian student said he believed but the math professor would just out-smart him in challenging his faith, just proving he is smarter and not necessarily proving or disproving the existence of God. This led the math teacher to a path of salvation of his own and he became very in love with God, which puzzled me because I didn’t think Christians were very intelligent at the time, I guess the caricature on TV got to my head.

I remember picking up the bible once and reading that Jesus came for the sick and those in need of healing, and my thought was “I am not sick and in no need of healing,” and so I put the bible back down again. Later I think Jesus triggered my bipolar illness to prove me wrong on this accord, and while I was in the hospital I realized that everyone is sick to one degree or another, it’s just the REALLY sick ones that we notice as a society and shy away from.

These are stories in my life that didn’t necessarily lead to my salvation. I became very enamored in the New Age cult of love and light and this lead me to believe that a person that I would love very much would appear to me, if I only had faith and followed certain steps, such as going downstairs in my building and putting my hands/head against the wall until something happened. The “something” that happened was somebody calling the ambulance for me, which was my first hospitalization. I still say to this day that it was a voluntary hospitalization, but God did something to my brain. He was making sure I actually had some faith to see if I would be able to be saved and put on a different life path without me becoming wicked and mocking Christians too much which I did for a short time watching DarkMatter2525’s youtube videos. Anyway…

My first hospitalization was a bizarre experience and I felt like they were re-enacting the first chapters of the bible at the hospital, and at the time I thought I was a healer/God and I tried to rewrite the rules of creation. I overheard a conversation in the hospital about someone uploading a virus into creation that caused humans to become human and fall from grace. There were mentally ill people there and the hospital was trying to diagnose me as a drug user even though my tests came out clean, later they diagnosed me bipolar. This hospitalization was winter solstice 2011. The theme of my first hospitalization was “if there is a will, there is a way.” I just didn’t know who’s will and what way.

I was in a bipolar support group shortly after my 2011 hospitalization, where I would eventually meet my ex. I thought she was the one at the time, but things just didn’t work out. I would be on and off with her until December 2017.

My second hospitalization was Spring 2013. This time I began to act weird around my family and believed I had the power to free my family from machines from the future. This time in the hospital I met someone who was special and told them we were going to take over the universe together. For better that relationship never worked out. She told me some bizarre things like random people missed me and that she was worried about her daughter Emma.

My third hospitalization was the freakiest hospitalization event ever. I went in because I wasn’t able to sleep for a couple of days and maybe went through some hallucinations. It was in October of 2015, right before Halloween. They slowly sneaked me through the hospital and I got weird messages from people in the hospital. One was that the love you feel in your heart is all that matters, this is what a priest said to a man who thought I was going to steal his girlfriend Amanda? I’m not sure. Then I was attacked in the hospital when they said a witch’s prayer over me and I looked through the dimensional veil and saw a little imp-like creature with it’s finger over its mouth wanting me to be hushed. I was so mesmerized by this that I kept quiet and confused. Then I was taken to my room and I had a strong feeling that people were going to try and kill me, and I became very afraid and would have almost jumped out the window if I was able to. In the hospital there was a mean staff member who called me “man child of God” and told me I wasn’t welcome there and I thought was trying to kill me somehow and I was hissing and screaming when I thought he was trying to kill me, and I heard an old women’s voice in my head saying that me that God and I have my life down to the last nano-second in essence proving God’s existence without God revealing himself, and that I was considered a true son of God, that Jesus’s death caused evil to win for all time. Note that I do not believe this, it could have been an evil spirit talking, I believe Jesus death did the opposite, winning a victory for good for all time. Anyways the second this entity spoke Jesus name, Jesus revealed himself to me, and I got an understanding that Jesus was real! He revealed himself to me! In that moment I felt really stupid, like, “Christianity is true?”

When in the hospital, there was a point where my parents visited me and I confessed to my parents, “Jesus is Lord.” They seemed to be a little bit shocked by that statement. I believe Jesus gave me a second chance here to confess to them directly where I was afraid to do it when I was 17.

The third hospitalization to me proved Jesus and God’s existence but I was still a little bit of the walking dead. My new age friend at the time wanted to get baptized to get right with God, and I wanted to 1-up him and get baptized first, and when I told the church I wanted to be baptized they had me take the introductory alpha course at my church. I learned about God, hell, and sin for the first time in a long time, and began making friends with Christians. And yes, I was baptized, not as a new ager, but as a baby Christian.

One night I said a prayer for God to reveal how he thought about me, and God took me down to the devil’s realm and I heard the words “hedonite isrealite.” Now I know it’s the devils job to kind of make us look bad and I guess this is the worst he had on me. This is kind of a both good and bad mixed message for me, the devil considers me a pleasure seeking Israelite, which is odd because I am not from Israel but I might just be God’s adopted son or a true son of God and so God is considering me an Israelite through this adoption. When I was lifted out of this realm in my dream a wind of voices said, ‘read the word.’

That’s the story of how I found Christ, or maybe he found me. Whatever it was, I am forever thankful for Christ revealing himself to me and proving his existence to me so that I may be a thankful follower.

Shortly after I finally broke off with my ex, I met my wife around February 2018 and we got married in Nov 2018! I finally found a wife after all this experience, God gave me one! I remember asking God, if he wants me single i’ll be single, and if he wants me married I’ll be married! It looks like he wanted me married because I met my wife a month after that prayer! He also freed me from porn addiction about the same time I met my wife. 🙂

God is good.

Why Hell is Eternal


Hell is eternal because of the debt we take on when we sin. If someone owes a debt and you throw them in prison for it, they can never get out because there is no way for them to pay it back while in prison. That’s what hell is.

Thankfully Jesus paid our debt and gave us a positive balance. Also why it’s so important for us to forgive others, because of how much we have been forgiven. God is God of the living and not God of the dead, which is why we must make the choice to repent while we are alive. Jesus provides a living way to redemption and to the promised land.

What God wants from Man


God just wants mankind to repent. That said, it is faith in Christ that saves us. We need to come to faith in Christ first, then he will clean us up in the process of sanctification.

To learn what repent means, we look at the Strong’s Concordance 3340 definition of repent,


Gloss: to repent, to change any or all of the elements composing one’s life: attitude, thoughts, and behaviors concerning the demands of God for right living

Definition: to undergo a change in frame of mind and feeling, to repent, Luke 17:3-4; to make a change of principle and practice, to reform, Mt. 3:2

Repentance is turning from sin, and turning towards Jesus!

Everyone in Jesus Christ is on their own process of further sanctification, until our bodies will be redeemed at the first Resurrection.

If anyone claims to be perfectly Holy in this life, we have the Law which is the school master to bring us to Christ! Everyone has broken the law in one way or another so all human beings are guilty.

John the baptist preached the message of repentance to prepare a way for Jesus, and in Mark 6:12 Jesus sends out his disciples preaching the message of repentance. The Gospel is supposed to bring man to repentance.

Acts 3:19

Exposing Annihilationism and Universalism

Annihilationism, Hell, Universalism

Annihilationism cannot be true due to these verses

Matthew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

Matthew 25:46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Eccl 3:14 – I know that everything God does will remain forever; there is nothing to add to it and there is nothing to take from it, for God has so worked that men should fear Him.

Rev 20:10 – And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Rev 21:8 – “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Rev 14:10-11 – he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
“And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

Universalism cannot be true due to these verses

Universalism eliminates the need for Jesus going to the cross, what’s the point if everyone is saved anyways?

Salvation is by faith alone. Repentance is required.

The rich man is hell wanted Lazurus to go back and warn his brothers about hell.

John 13:36 – Peter will make it to heaven

John 8:21 – Pharisees are not going to make it to heaven

Matthew 23:14 – Matthew 10:15 Hebrews 10:28 Different degrees of punishment

Psalm 69:28 Acts 32:23 Revelation 3:5 – You can be blotted out of the book of life, not everyone is going to heaven

Isaiah 33:12 – And the peoples will be as if burned to lime, like thorns cut down, that are burned in the fire.”

Daniel 12:2 – And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Isaiah 66:24 –  “And they shall go out and look on the dead bodies of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.”

Psalms 49:19 – his soul will go to the generation of his fathers, who will never again see light

Job 15:30 – he will not depart from darkness; the flame will dry up his shoots, and by the breath of his mouth he will depart. 

Proverbs 27:20 – Sheol and Abaddon are never satisfied, and never satisfied are the eyes of man. 

Isaiah 57:21 – There is no peace,” says my God, “for the wicked.”

Isaiah 14:9-10 – Sheol beneath is stirred up to meet you when you come; it rouses the shades to greet you, all who were leaders of the earth; it raises from their thrones all who were kings of the nations. 10 All of them will answer and say to you: ‘You too have become as weak as we! You have become like us!’

Ezek 32:21 – The mighty chiefs shall speak of them, with their helpers, out of the midst of Sheol: ‘They have come down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.’ 

Job 18:15-21 – In his tent dwells that which is none of his; sulfur is scattered over his habitation. 16 His roots dry up beneath, and his branches wither above. 17 His memory perishes from the earth, and he has no name in the street. 18 He is thrust from light into darkness, and driven out of the world. 19 He has no posterity or progeny among his people, and no survivor where he used to live. 20 They of the west are appalled at his day, and horror seizes them of the east. 21 Surely such are the dwellings of the unrighteous, such is the place of him who knows not God.”

Mark 3:29 –  but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”

Luke 3:17 –  His winnowing fork is in his hand, to clear his threshing floor and to gather the wheat into his barn, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire.”

Matthew 18:8 – And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.

Mark 9:43 – And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell,[8] to the unquenchable fire.

Luke 12:4-5 – “I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. 5 But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell.[1] Yes, I tell you, fear him!

Matthew 18:6 – but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin,[1] it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

Matthew 25:41 – “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 

Matthew 25:46 – And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

2 Thess 1:9 – They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from[2] the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might

Hebrews 6:2 – and of instruction about washings,[1] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 

2 Peter 2:17 – These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 

Matthew 11:23 –  And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. 

Matthew 21:44 – And the one who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; and when it falls on anyone, it will crush him.”

Matthew 8:12 –  while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

Matthew 22:13 – Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Matthew 25:41 – “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

Matthew 24:51 – and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

John 14:6 – Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Acts 4:12 – And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men[3] by which we must be saved.” 

Luke 13:3 –  No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

Luke 13:34 – O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! 

Matthew 25:46 –  And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

What’s the point of the great commission if everyone is going to heaven?

Why say to Judas it would of been better for him not to be born if everyone goes to heaven?

The idea of universalism can from the snake in the garden of Eden saying you shall surely not die and has no scriptural backing in scripture

Hebrews 6:1-2 – Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 and of instruction about washings,[1] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

Romans 1:18 – God’s wrath is coming against ungodliness

Hell is eternal because the wrath of God is never fully satisfied with the death of the sinner, as he is satisfied with the death of Christ in our place.

Eternal everlasting punishment – See Matthew 25:41,46

As for lake of fire… yes again, everlasting eternal – see Eccl 3:14 , Rev 20:10Rev 21:8Rev 14:10-11

The bible is clear, there is no annihilationism because none mentioned in these verses cannot be forever and ever suffering recompense if they cease to exist at any time – Isa 48:22 –